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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Sun May 01, 2011 2:31 am | |
| "Sorry - I was deep in thought, and then the notes I made just disappeared. I would suggest a couple of minor amendments to the letter of intent" - Letter of intent wrote:
- This document is a letter of intent for changes within the National Embassy. It is supported by the national government of England and the counties of England,
to whit Devon, Mercia, Sussex, and Westmorland.
In order to present a unified national front, reduce redundancy, and make relations clearer for foreign territories, the National Embassy shall be the central agency for Diplomacy in England. All treaties including, but not restricted to, Diplomatic Relations, Friendship Treaties, Non-aggression Pacts, Judicial Treaties, Mutual Defence Pacts, alliances and specialty documents such as Peace Treaties shall fall under the authority of the National Embassy, with the exception of Trade Agreements. The National Embassy shall pass no document that interferes with county trade or county laws.
The National Embassy shall consist of: The Embassy Board, Ambassadors, Interpreters, and Consuls.
The Embassy Board shall consist of: one representative from the Crown; two each representatives from each county; and the Chamberlain.
The representative from the Crown, often called the Chancellor of Foreign Affairs, is appointed by the monarch. ]We know the title]
The Chamberlain is elected by the Board and ambassadorial staff from amongst the County Chancellors, and is responsible for the daily operations of the National Embassy.
The County Representatives are appointed by the County Councils.
The Embassy Board must approve all treaties before they may be presented to the House of Lords for discussion, any revision, and a vote.
We the undersigned agree to this Letter of Intent and, on behalf of those who we represent, pledge to work towards the necessary changes to enact it.
Monarch Chancellor of Foreign Affairs Countess of Devon Count of Mercia Count of Sussex Countess of Westmorland And I would support Lord Plotnik's amendment I think the Procedure is still too detailed. I think the division of responsibilities doesn't work well. |
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Sun May 01, 2011 11:04 pm | |
| Plotnik nods to all that is said.
"Here is my thought behind the post of Chancellor of Foreign Affairs.
"I remains a relatively new position. It was a recent Regent who created the position, if I am not mistaken. And has there been more than one person in that role? I honestly haven't attended many London functions this year gone past, so couldn't say for certain.
"My point being: it was created not long ago. It could be transformed, sent the way of the Attorney General's post, merged, or expanded at whim. It has not been codified in bureaucracy, that is, cemented in law. Earl Marshal - that is a position captured by the law called the Charter of the English Army. Admiral of the fleet - captured in the law called the Charter of the English Navy. Lord High Chancellor is in the Charter of the House of Lords of King John, along with Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Clerk. Speaker of the House of Parliament is in the law called the Charter of the House of Parliament.
"But Chancellor of Foreign Affairs? Only document that mentions it, is the announcement that the post is filled by Lady Ladyjennet.
"So it is better to put into our documents, a most realistic term: Representative of the Crown. It clearly articulates the difference from the Representatives of the Counties. And whether the counties send a Count, a Chancellor, a Chamberlain, an Ambassador General, a Secretary, a Minister, or a Legate, that makes no difference to the duties. So, too, the representative from the Crown... the Crown can call them whatever they like, but they're filling a specific role.
"Personally I would like the post of Chancellor of Foreign Affairs to return from whence it came: one of the many functions of the Lord High Chancellor. That's pure opinion, and hardly am I to be in a position this year to affect that. It is so much yelling at the sea, to calm itself.
"Which is all to say, that I don't care what words we put into the Letter of Intent. It's merely what I was thinking, as I was placing ink upon the scroll. Perhaps shorter and simpler is better.
"And Lady Patan, we are in accord. We could beat this horse until it is well and truly dead, but tis far better to get a weak horse out of the barn under its own power. Let us get something sooner rather than later. As a friend says, "Perfect is the enemy of Good Enough". As another friend says, "It is better to execute a plan that is 50% perfect, on time, than to execute a plan that is 100% perfect, two days too late." I would like to see the changes that Lord Deekay and myself proposed, but I would not wish these documents to die on the vine for want of perfection.
"Onward, then, if we can all agree to this much? If not, I have a few more sayings I could call upon. Like "If you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty; and the pig likes it." |
| | | baldar Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Mon May 02, 2011 1:36 am | |
| My Lord Plotnik,
When I was Chancellor of Foreign Affairs I wrote a Charter for the Royal Embassy, which I posted to the Regent and HoL for review, after waiting a month, I automatically brought it into being.
Now wether lady Jennet has changed it or it has dissapered( I hope not), but I will dig in my documents to find it and produce it hear.
I would ask that with Lord Plotnik's idea and Lord Deekay's comments we can correct and send to our councils the documents for them to study. | |
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Mon May 02, 2011 1:58 am | |
| Back in our Embassy, I asked the question about the Chancellor of Foreign Affairs and their duties, and how far these duties actually extend. Chris Braveheart said (I've made a slight edit to remove an extraneous comment): - Quote :
- CoFA - Official representative of the Monarch and Kingdom to Foreign Kingdoms/entities. Responsible for formulating diplomatic policies, plans, directions, etc. on behalf of the Monarch. Official voice of England on all matters regarding diplomacy and diplomatic relations.
It's basically the difference between someone who is given the big picture job of diplomacy and someone who is given the daily implementation of that big picture and making it happen in the Embassy. The CoFA is a high-level member of the Monarch's Privy and the Chamberlain/Chancellor, etc. is the person responsible for the daily workings of the Embassy and making sure the Monarch's and CoFA's goals are accomplished and may not even be a member of the Privy.
In military terms, it would be the difference between a high-ranking general and a Lieutenant or lesser officer. The General has the big picture responsibility, and the Lieutenant has the responsibility of taking that and directing the troops to make that happen...and they have full control, with oversight of course, of making that happen the way they best see fit.
And I am in complete agreement ... that the CoFA should not be the person to run daily things in the Embassy. They should have way too much on their plate to even worry about directing Ambassadors, Interpreters, etc. and should be more focused on getting Scotland to agree to a Diplomatic Treaty, or France to a Trade Treaty, or setting a direction where England wishes to gain 10 strong naval allies in the next year, etc. |
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Tue May 03, 2011 4:00 am | |
| Having finally succeeded in arranging for the requested repast, young Seamus slips quietly back into the chamber, carrying teapot, cup, and a small covered plate. Silently slipping around to Lady Patan's seat, he uncovers her piece of lemon cake, still warm, and places it on table near her position. He then pours and places her tea, putting a small crock, pulling a small crock of honey from his belt pouch, which he unstoppers and places nearby should the lady wish her tea sweetened. With an affectionate smile for his intended, he then goes to stand near the side table, keeping his mouth firmly shut the entire time. |
| | | baldar Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Tue May 03, 2011 8:38 am | |
| Baldar had returned from the library, My fellow Chancellors, I have found a copy of the Embassy charter I drew up - Quote :
- ROYAL EMBASSY CHARTER</SPAN></SPAN>
1.1 </SPAN></SPAN>The King of England
The King of England is the Patron of the Royal Embassy of England. </SPAN>
1.2 </SPAN></SPAN>The Regent of England
The Regent of England is the King of England’s representative to the Royal Embassy of England. and represents him in all matters.</SPAN>
The Regent and ambassadors represent us before other countries. In that view, the Prince(ss) Regent serves as our leader and as our chief spokesperson in diplomacy (both directly and through ambassadors). </SPAN>
1.3 </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>The Chancellor of the Royal Embassy of England
The Chancellor is appointed by the Regent as part of the Royal Council, and remains in that position, until removed by Regent or the New Regent. The Chancellor coordinates the everyday running of the Embassy and tasks the various Ambassadors. The Chancellor reports directly to the Regent, on all business and if requested by the Regent to report to the Foreign policy Committee of the HoL. The Chancellor nominate a Vice Chancellor from one of the Ambassadors to deputise in his absence. He Chancellor nominates the Ambassadors to represent </SPAN>England</SPAN> in the foreign nations.</SPAN></SPAN>
- The Ambassadors</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
The Ambassadors of England, represent the Embassy of England, and report directly </SPAN></SPAN>
to the Chancellor, They act as messengers and present to the foreign Chancellors or there counterparts any official documents from the Embassy. They are the first line of diplomatic talks. Within the guidelines given, by the Chancellor or the Regent.</SPAN> Our diplomats have first-class skills in understanding and influencing what is happening abroad, supporting our citizens who are travelling and living overseas, promoting British trade and other interests abroad and to encourage future foreign investment in</SPAN> the Kingdom.</SPAN>
- Treaties</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
The Royal Embassy of England, prepares Diplomatic treaties with other countries for the approval of the Regent and HoL. Regarding the </SPAN>Kingdom</SPAN> of </SPAN>England</SPAN> All local Councils that stipulate county treaties with foreign countries, should send a copy to the Royal Embassy. The Counties or the Royal Embassy will send a copy of the treaty to the House of Lords. </SPAN></SPAN>
The House of Lords shall review all treaties signed by counties with foreign counties or nations. If the House of Lords, after discussion, votes and agrees that a county's treaty risks or compromises the Peace of England an appeal may be made to the Regent to have the treaty removed. Should the Regent agree, the county is required to withdraw from the treaty.</SPAN>
The Royal Embassy thru its Ambassadors can help translate official treaties for counties requesting the Royal Embassy’s help.</SPAN></SPAN>
- Duties</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
We are Britain’s diplomatic service and represent the English government overseas. In today’s economic climate, international relations are more important than ever and the REoE’s purpose is to work for a better Britain in a better world. </SPAN>
The Royal Embassy of England – ‘the REoE’ or ‘the Foreign Office’ for short – is the government department responsible for promoting British interests overseas and supporting our citizens and businesses around Europe.</SPAN>
The Royal Embassy will endeavor to promote England’s trade around the world and to attract business into the Kingdom of England and its Counties </SPAN>
The Royal Embassy will support and inform British nationals abroad through consular assistance </SPAN>
The Royal Embassy will ensure that our borders are open to those that may benefit our economy, via agreements with Local Counties(as well as those with genuine asylum claims), but closed to those that may bring us harm.</SPAN>
We seek to promote and develop human rights, law and governance. The Royal Embassy works closely with other nations to establish stability and ensure that our borders are managed and protected from attacks from abroad.</SPAN></SPAN>
- Standards of conduct</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
All members of the Royal Embassy and all Foreign and County Representatives will be respectful of another member's point of view. The dignity that comes with being an Ambassador will preclude any offensive unacceptable behavior within these walls. Purposely inflammatory, derogatory or discriminatory language is not to be used within the halls of this institution. </SPAN>
Unacceptable behavior within the walls of the Royal Embassy includes, but is not limited to: - use of threatening, harassing or discriminatory language or conduct; - disruptive behavior; - flaming (as defined by the Forum rules);</SPAN></SPAN>
Unacceptable behavior beyond the walls of the Royal Embassy includes: - Anything that maybe considered detrimental to the dignity of the Royal Embassy and the Kingdom of England.</SPAN>
Cases of unacceptable behavior will be determined by the Chancellor of the Royal Embassy (or the Regent in the Chancellor’s absence) and apply consequence of such behavior as noted.</SPAN>
Consequences of such behavior: 1 - Warning by Official letter sent to the person and to his Chancellor if a foreign Ambassador.) 2 - Two day removal from Royal Embassy (Official letter sent to the person and to his Chancellor if a foreign Ambassador.) 3 - Seven day removal from Royal Embassy(Official letter sent to the person and to his Chancellor if a foreign Ambassador.) 4 - Loss of membership to the Royal Embassy or removal if a foreign Ambassador 5 – Loss of Diplomatic immunity given by the Regent, with the expelling of the Foreign Ambassador from England.</SPAN>
Members of the Royal Embassy are also expected to conduct themselves in a manner befitting there status. Conviction of a crime, barring appeal, will result in removal from the Royal Embassy. This does not apply to crimes convicted previous to membership, nor is this retroactive. </SPAN> | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Tue May 03, 2011 10:05 am | |
| PLotnik, the position of Chancellor of Foreign Affairs is not a new position on Privy at all.I help that postion under both Princess Cat Degas and Prince Jewbeard, before me was Lady Alexandrine,after me was of course Baldar for several terms and Richard Silvermane,before Jennet came in and turned the RE into the joke it is today.
New if we all are agreed with this latest version, I think we all need to take these documents to our councils and get them approved so they can go to the RE,before Jennet and Barnaby get their way in there and we end up with something that only benefits Jennet. Besides from all the discussions I've heard recently in all of the same places she and I are a part of she has once again gone MIA. |
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Tue May 03, 2011 10:27 am | |
| [OOC Well, that's strange...I posted this earlier today and it doesn't seem to appear now! Trying again...] Patan takes up the documents again to make a few final changes. Glancing up as the young Scotsman brings in tea and cake, she smiles, "Thank you so much...that cake looks quite delicious!"She passes out the amended documents and takes a sip of tea, "Following the comments of Lords Plotnik and Deekay, I have now incorporated a few slight amendments which I hope might satisfy." - Quote :
- Letter of Intent:
This document is a letter of intent for changes within the National Embassy. It is supported by the national government of England and the counties of England - Devon, Mercia, Sussex, and Westmorland.
In order to present a unified national front, reduce redundancy, and make relations clearer for foreign territories, the National Embassy shall be the central agency for Diplomacy in England. All treaties including, but not restricted to, Diplomatic Relations, Friendship Treaties, Non-aggression Pacts, Judicial Treaties, Mutual Defence Pacts, alliances and specialty documents such as Peace Treaties shall fall under the authority of the National Embassy, with the exception of Trade Agreements. The National Embassy shall pass no document that interferes with county trade or county laws.
The National Embassy shall consist of: The Embassy Board, Ambassadors, Interpreters, and Consuls.
The Embassy Board shall consist of: one representative from the Crown; two each representatives from each county; and the Chamberlain.
The representative from the crown is the Chancellor of Foreign Affairs, appointed by the monarch.
The Chamberlain is elected by the Board and ambassadorial staff from amongst the County Chancellors, and is responsible for the daily operations of the National Embassy.
The County Representatives are appointed by the County Councils.
The Embassy Board must approve all treaties before they may be presented to the House of Lords for discussion, any revision, and a vote.
We the undersigned agree to this Letter of Intent and, on behalf of those who we represent, pledge to work towards the necessary changes to enact it.
Monarch Chancellor of Foreign Affairs Countess of Devon Count of Mercia Count of Sussex Countess of Westmorland - Quote :
- Procedure:
This document is a procedure for changes within the National Embassy. It is supported by the national government of England and the counties of England, to whit Devon, Mercia, Sussex, and Westmorland.
In order to present a unified national front, reduce redundancy, and make relations clearer for foreign territories, the National Embassy shall be the central agency for Diplomacy in England. All treaties including, but not restricted to Diplomatic Relations, Friendship Treaties, Non-aggression Pacts, Judicial Treaties, Mutual Defence Pacts, and specialty documents such as Peace Treaties shall fall under the authority of the National Embassy, with the exception of Trade Agreements and Agreements between Counties of the Kingdom.
The Counties of England shall have the freedom to create trade treaties so long as they do not harm another county or the country.
The National Embassy shall consist of:
The Embassy Board, consisting of the Chancellor of Foreign Affairs, the Chamberlain of the Embassy, and two representatives from each of the Counties.
- The Chancellor of Foreign Affairs, appointed by the monarch, is the Head of the National Embassy. Duties include chairing the Embassy Board, with a casting vote if there is a tie, and representing the Embassy, and the monarch if required, in public arenas.
- The Chamberlain, elected by the Board and ambassadorial staff from one of the County Chancellors, is responsible for the daily operations of the National Embassy. In the exceptional event that none of the County Chancellors is able to take on the responsibility, the Board and ambassadorial staff may elect an alternative qualified person to become Chamberlain.
- County Representatives, appointed by the County Councils, will usually be the Chancellor (in case of more than one chancellor per county they rotate) and the Count(ess) or Vice-Chancellor. The Chancellors oversee four areas within the Embassy.
Ambassadors, who are appointed by the Board, and report to the appropriate County Chancellor.
Interpreters, appointed by the Board, who report to the Appropriate County Chancellors.
Special Envoys and other special posts, appointed as necessary by the Board, who report to the Board.
The National Embassy shall create and maintain a public archive of all treaties.
Each County Chancellor will be selected by the Embassy Board to have one set of responsibilities within the National Embassy. Potentially, these responsibilities may be:
1. Internal Diplomat (Within the National Embassy) - Liaison with English County Diplomats - Treaties - Handles treaty negotiations with the appropriate Ambassador - Works on standard treaty templates
2. External Diplomat - Western World (English, French and Spanish speaking Towns, Counties and Countries including Scandinavia) - Handles the Foreign Diplomats for their areas - Compiles reports from their Diplomats - Creates a map of their area of responsibility and a list of the ambassadors assigned to specific areas within the realm of their responsibility.
3. External Diplomat (Eastern World - German, Italian, Turkish, Greek and Slavic speaking cities, counties and countries) - Handles the Foreign Diplomats for their areas - Compiles reports from their Diplomats - Creates a map of their areas of responsibility and a list of the ambassadors assigned to specific areas within the realm of their responsibility.
4. Administrative Diplomat (Chamberlain) - Moderates the Embassy - Hands out/revokes Keys - Compiles the final reports - Ensures that arriving Foreign Diplomats are greeted on a timely basis and not left forgotten. Announces Foreign Diplomatic arrivals to the Diplomat or Ambassador responsible for that area.
5. Ambassadors and Consuls
1) Ambassadors are long-term diplomats that shall engage their designated destination in discussions as directed by the policy of England to that area. They shall not only seek treaties, if that is the wish of England, but also create a discourse with their foreign counterpart(s) regarding those counties, duchies, countries relations with their bordering territories and report their findings back to their immediate supervisor so such information can be incorporated into the report.
2) Consuls are diplomats designated for specific one-time tasks to a foreign territory and report back to England. After which they may or may not be appointed as ambassadors to that specific region if regular ambassadors are not available.
3) Reports should be done on a timely basis (probably every 2 weeks unless some imperative news is garnered which maybe be of vital interest to England) designating the diplomats advance or lack thereof in accomplishing the goals set out for him/her by their supervisor.
The process for approving National Treaties shall follow the following guidelines:
1) A treaty is submitted to the National Embassy by a foreign territory or by the National Embassy to a foreign territory.
2) The treaty is translated (by Embassy interpreters), checked for accuracy, looked over for basic revisions, and made as correct and whole as possible.
3) The treaty is submitted to the Embassy Board for discussion, during which the County representatives may seek input from their County Councils.
4) Once the Board finds the treaty satisfactory and approved, it is submitted to the Chancellor of Foreign Affairs to present to the House of Lords for discussion, any revision, and a vote.
5) If approved by the House of Lords, the treaty is signed and copies are posted both to the foreign territory and to the National Embassy's repository of treaties.
We the undersigned agree to this procedure and, on behalf of those who we represent, pledge to work towards the necessary changes to enact it.
Monarch
Chancellor of Foreign Affairs
Countess of Devon
Count of Mercia
Count of Sussex
Countess of Westmorland |
| | | baldar Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Wed May 04, 2011 4:17 pm | |
| Mi Lords and Ladies,
Again I thank Lady Patan for her valid contribution in re writing the changes, I for one am content with both docuents and if there are no objections from the present here. I personally will present this to the Countess and Westmorland Council, as I hope the rest of my fellow Chancellors will do.
If the present at this meeting are in agreement I would like to present and say the names of those who have worked to make something that could work for the counties and England.
Thank you again to all.
If my fellow Chancellors also agree I would ike to know if we wait for our councils decesion or do we post a discussion on what has been done here with presentation of the documents to the HoL.
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Thu May 05, 2011 12:30 am | |
| Thank you, Lord Baldar. I would like to present the documents to Devon's council as soon as possible. Our elections are in four days' time, so I would like to get it to my council straight away - and shall do it later today unless there are objections or further amendments to be made. We were talking about it in Devon's Embassy, and feel that we should first get agreement from our councils (who may, of course, have some tweaking of their own). Following that, our count/esses should take it to the Royal Embassy and at the same time we shall take it to the Privy Council and HoL. Lord Arkrantos has offered to take it to the Privy, and Lady Irish to the HoL - unless anyone else has a burning desire to make the presentation. |
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Thu May 05, 2011 12:00 pm | |
| "Lord Plotnik, would you care to present to Sussex Council? I found the Count's last statement on the subject somewhat disappointing. I do agree with your assessment that in all likihood, the matter will be undecided within our County until after the next election."Ophelia frowned as she remembered the events. |
| | | baldar Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Thu May 05, 2011 1:56 pm | |
| First Comment by Westmorland on procedure, for info Changes:- Added a new section, Section Four, which clearly spells out that each County Council must vote on a National Treaty.
- Under Section Five (Previously Section Four) it is clearly stated that each County Council must approve of a given treaty.
- Under Section Five (Previously Section Four) the ability of the House Of Lord to unilaterally revise treaties without approval from each County Council has been removed.
- Modified Proposal wrote:
- The process for approving National Treaties shall follow the following guidelines:
1) A treaty is submitted to the National Embassy by a foreign territory or by the National Embassy to a foreign territory.
2) The treaty is translated (by Embassy interpreters), checked for accuracy, looked over for basic revisions, and made as correct and whole as possible.
3) The treaty is submitted to the Embassy Board for discussion, during which the County representatives may seek input from their County Councils.
4.) After the Embassy Board has finished the discussion process and completed any necessary revisions, the final proposal is submitted to each County Council to vote on.
5) Once each County Council votes to approve a treaty, the treaty is submitted to the Chancellor of Foreign Affairs to present to the House of Lords for discussion, and a vote.
6) If approved by the House of Lords, the treaty is signed and copies are posted both to the foreign territory and to the National Embassy's repository of treaties. | |
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Thu May 05, 2011 4:31 pm | |
| Yes we need to get this to our councils and approved and tweaked if need be. We stand a better chance of this getting past the meeting in the RE while Jennet is MIA.............. again. Yes it will tick her off big time. In the words of Chris Braveheart. - Quote :
- You know...... there is a way to circumvent her entirely. It won't be a popular choice and the Queen will be furious, not to mention the Chancellor of Foreign Affairs. IF...we could get approvals and nods from the Councils....HoP has the authority and precedence to approve Charters. Yes, the Queen has a veto, but HoP has an override. Not saying this will be any easier as we all know getting HoP to agree that England is an island is nearly impossible on any given day.....but, it's worth having in your back pocket when needed.
He is right of course this will be extremely risky,but is the risk worth it in the end if it means Jennet is removed from the RE entirely. |
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Fri May 06, 2011 6:42 pm | |
| Caitilin had kept silent listening, letting the Chancellors do their work. She nodded to Seamus as he reentered the room, in the hopes of getting a cup of tea or a small cup of mead. Cait rose from her chair and walked to the window, staring out on the spring gardens, concern on her face regarding the delays that presenting this proposal to each and every council for, as was mentioned, "tweaking". She would remain silent. This was Baldar's venue and the others that had more experience and understanding of diplomacy and politics.
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Fri May 06, 2011 9:01 pm | |
| As Caitilin catches his eye with her nod in his direction, young Seamus raises both brows and points at the teapot questioningly, wondering if she needs something to drink. |
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Sat May 07, 2011 5:24 am | |
| excuse me, but I have received urgent news form the Chancellor of An Mumhaim. I thik as Chancellors we should be aware of this and help to urge the councils with this matter. I have taken care of writing to all of your Counts and Countess's. I asked Aishling to let me handle this rather than her go to the National embassy, for obvious reasons. We can get it done more quickly and efficiently than the Royal Embassy can. - Quote :
- I received news from the Chancellor of An Mumhain about their former Duke and Sheriff. It seems they ran off with quite a lot of goods and things from the County coffers and stole a ship from The Waterford Shipping Co to take this stolen booty else where. An Mumhaim is asking that none of the Counties allow these men to dock in one of Englands ports. An Mumhain wishes us to force them back, as it were to Ireland where they have plans to deal with it.
The name of the ship is The WS Cincinnatus and the two men who stole the goods are Valefor and Sir_Winsalot. Valefor being the former Sheriff and Winsalot the former Duke. If you would get this information to your MS so he can alert all of the HM's I"d appreciate it. |
| | | baldar Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Sat May 07, 2011 8:23 am | |
| Baldar after having listned to Lady Irish and the missiv she had given them. he turns to a a servent to send a messenger to Westmorland Council.
Then he turns to all, My fellow Chancellors, I am having the letter of Intent to be voted in the council,
Then I will ask Duchess Snowlynx to present it to the RE Meeting. Once this is done I would ask Lady Irish to present just the letter of intent in HoL for discussion via Lord Arkantos.
and also in the HoP. This will give time for the Councils to tweek the procedure document.
Comments please. | |
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Sat May 07, 2011 9:56 am | |
| Patan nods, "I have advised Devon's Council and also our Port Authority of the rogue Count.
"Also, I have presented the letter of intent, as well as the proposed procedures to Devon's Council. There has so far only been one comment, broadly in favour. However, our Council election is in two days' time, so I shall try to hurry them up a little. " Patan wonders how best to put a rocket under her Council, and writes out a missive to be sent to them. |
| | | baldar Administrator
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| Subject: Re: Meeting of the County Chancellors Mon May 09, 2011 12:17 pm | |
| My fellow Chancellors, the following is being put to vote in Westmorland Council, a few changes but nothing drastic. - Wselfwulf wrote:
- I did a quick run-down on both the Letter Of Intent and Procedure, to ensure County rights are clearly spelled out in both, as well as conducted some minor changes for formatting and consistency. Please note I did use the "Two Letter format", in an attempt to use a similar format, however more than likely this could have been compressed to one document.
Also note that although the proposal looks longer most of this is minor formatting changes to break up the dreaded "Walls Of Text". :?
Major Changes:
- Clearly stated that each County Council must vote on a National Treaty.
- Clearly stated that each County Council must approve of a given treaty.
- Removed the ability of the House Of Lord to unilaterally revise treaties without approval from each County Council.
- Changed the word "guidelines" to "procedure" so it is absolutely clear that the procedure must be followed.
Minor Changes:
- Formatting changes to make the proposal more easily read (e.g. Using the list function) and consistent (e.g. Attempted to use similar terminology and made sure the Letter Of Intent and Procedure did not contradict each other).
- Quote :
- Letter of Intent:
This document is a letter of intent for changes within the National Embassy. It is supported by the national government of England and the counties of England - Devon, Mercia, Sussex, and Westmorland.
In order to present a unified national front, reduce redundancy, and make relations clearer for foreign territories, the National Embassy shall be the central agency for Diplomacy in England. All treaties including, but not restricted to, Diplomatic Relations, Friendship Treaties, Non-aggression Pacts, Judicial Treaties, Mutual Defence Pacts, alliances and specialty documents such as Peace Treaties shall fall under the authority of the National Embassy, with the exception of Trade Agreements. The National Embassy shall pass no document that interferes with county trade or county laws.
The National Embassy shall consist of:
- The Embassy Board
- Ambassadors and Consuls
- Interpreters
- Special Envoys and other special posts
The Embassy Board shall consist of:
- The Chancellor of Foreign Affairs, appointed by the monarch, is the Head of the National Embassy. Duties include chairing the Embassy Board, with a casting vote if there is a tie, and representing the Embassy, and the monarch if required, in public arenas.
- The Chamberlain, elected by the Board and ambassadorial staff from one of the County Chancellors, is responsible for the daily operations of the National Embassy. In the exceptional event that none of the County Chancellors is able to take on the responsibility, the Board and ambassadorial staff may elect an alternative qualified person to become Chamberlain.
- County Representatives, appointed by the County Councils, will usually be the Chancellor (in case of more than one chancellor per county they rotate) and the Count(ess) or Vice-Chancellor. The Chancellors oversee four areas within the Embassy.
The Embassy Board must approve all treaties before they may be presented to each County Council for discussion, and a vote.
Each County Council must approve all treaties before they may be presented to the House of Lords for discussion, and a vote.
We the undersigned agree to this Letter of Intent and, on behalf of those who we represent, pledge to work towards the necessary changes to enact it.
Monarch
Chancellor of Foreign Affairs
Countess of Devon
Count of Mercia
Count of Sussex
Countess of Westmorland
- Quote :
- Procedure:
This document is a procedure for changes within the National Embassy. It is supported by the national government of England and the counties of England, to whit Devon, Mercia, Sussex, and Westmorland.
In order to present a unified national front, reduce redundancy, and make relations clearer for foreign territories, the National Embassy shall be the central agency for Diplomacy in England. All treaties including, but not restricted to Diplomatic Relations, Friendship Treaties, Non-aggression Pacts, Judicial Treaties, Mutual Defence Pacts, and specialty documents such as Peace Treaties shall fall under the authority of the National Embassy, with the exception of Trade Agreements and Agreements between Counties of the Kingdom.
The Counties of England shall have the freedom to create trade treaties so long as they do not harm another county or the country.
The National Embassy shall consist of:
- The Embassy Board, consisting of the Chancellor of Foreign Affairs, the Chamberlain of the Embassy, and two representatives from each of the Counties.
- The Chancellor of Foreign Affairs, appointed by the monarch, is the Head of the National Embassy. Duties include chairing the Embassy Board, with a casting vote if there is a tie, and representing the Embassy, and the monarch if required, in public arenas.
- The Chamberlain, elected by the Board and ambassadorial staff from one of the County Chancellors, is responsible for the daily operations of the National Embassy. In the exceptional event that none of the County Chancellors is able to take on the responsibility, the Board and ambassadorial staff may elect an alternative qualified person to become Chamberlain.
- County Representatives, appointed by the County Councils, will usually be the Chancellor (in case of more than one chancellor per county they rotate) and the Count(ess) or Vice-Chancellor. The Chancellors oversee four areas within the Embassy.
- Ambassadors and Consuls, who are appointed by the Board, and report to the appropriate County Chancellor.
- Interpreters, appointed by the Board, who report to the Appropriate County Chancellors.
- Special Envoys and other special posts, appointed as necessary by the Board, who report to the Board.
The National Embassy shall create and maintain a public archive of all treaties.
Each County Chancellor will be selected by the Embassy Board to have one set of responsibilities within the National Embassy. Potentially, these responsibilities may be:
- Internal Diplomat (Within the National Embassy)
- Liaison with English County Diplomats
- Treaties
- Handles treaty negotiations with the appropriate Ambassador
- Works on standard treaty templates
- External Diplomat - Western World (English, French and Spanish speaking Towns, Counties and Countries including Scandinavia)
- Handles the Foreign Diplomats for their areas
- Compiles reports from their Diplomats
- Creates a map of their area of responsibility and a list of the ambassadors assigned to specific areas within the realm of their responsibility.
- External Diplomat (Eastern World - German, Italian, Turkish, Greek and Slavic speaking cities, counties and countries)
- Handles the Foreign Diplomats for their areas
- Compiles reports from their Diplomats
- Creates a map of their areas of responsibility and a list of the ambassadors assigned to specific areas within the realm of their responsibility.
- Administrative Diplomat (Chamberlain)
- Moderates the Embassy
- Hands out/revokes Keys
- Compiles the final reports
- Ensures that arriving Foreign Diplomats are greeted on a timely basis and not left forgotten. Announces Foreign Diplomatic arrivals to the Diplomat or Ambassador responsible for that area.
- Ambassadors and Consuls
- Ambassadors are long-term diplomats that shall engage their designated destination in discussions as directed by the policy of England to that area. They shall not only seek treaties, if that is the wish of England, but also create a discourse with their foreign counterpart(s) regarding those counties, duchies, countries relations with their bordering territories and report their findings back to their immediate supervisor so such information can be incorporated into the report.
- Consuls are diplomats designated for specific one-time tasks to a foreign territory and report back to England. After which they may or may not be appointed as ambassadors to that specific region if regular ambassadors are not available.
- Reports should be done on a timely basis (probably every 2 weeks unless some imperative news is garnered which maybe be of vital interest to England) designating the diplomats advance or lack thereof in accomplishing the goals set out for him/her by their supervisor.
The process for approving National Treaties shall follow the following procedure:
- A treaty is submitted to the National Embassy by a foreign territory or by the National Embassy to a foreign territory.
- The treaty is translated (by Embassy interpreters), checked for accuracy, looked over for basic revisions, and made as correct and whole as possible.
- The treaty is submitted to the Embassy Board for discussion, during which the County representatives may seek input from their County Councils.
- After the Embassy Board has finished the discussion process and completed any necessary revisions, the final proposal is submitted to each County Council for discussion, and a vote.
- Once each County Council votes to approve a treaty, the treaty is submitted to the Chancellor of Foreign Affairs to present to the House of Lords for discussion, and a vote.
- If approved by the House of Lords, the treaty is signed and copies are posted both to the foreign territory and to the National Embassy's repository of treaties.
We the undersigned agree to this procedure and, on behalf of those who we represent, pledge to work towards the necessary changes to enact it.
Monarch
Chancellor of Foreign Affairs
Countess of Devon
Count of Mercia
Count of Sussex
Countess of Westmorland - Snowlynx wrote:
- Thank you, Wselfwulf for the final draft.
Baldar, I will start the County Council vote on this proposal, shortly. Could you please show the revised verison in the private meeting in the De Stryke castle if it is still in attendence, so that they may see what changes Westmorland has added. Being half De Stryke, If you can not, I will try and swing in there and see if I have access to the meeting, if anyone is still there.
Also, Baldar, what day was intended to present this document to to the RE? | |
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| Smiling at her cousin Cait simply nodded. Aye she whispered if there is some here. I don't want to put you to any trouble. Just ring for Marie and she will serve. Seamus you are family and a Baron. She chided the young Scotsman. | |
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| Lady Ghostwriter had been listening to the discussion but keeping out of the way, hearing much agreement between the various chancellors and smiling to herself as she moved round the room quietly. As she listened, not wanting to speak, her input unnecessary with the work that had already been done she spotted Cait stood near a window and headed that way. As she neared Cait Ghost heard her speaking to Seamus and giggled as she came to stand by her.
Seamus pretending he's a servant, Cait? Ghost laughed softly, her voice low enough not to be heard by others. Ghost smiled at her husband. If you are ringing Marie for tea hun I'd love a cup please. |
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| Cait, leaned in and hugged Ghost with a smile. He is much like his cousin Hagman, humility abounds but deep within a pride that is in the Scottish blood from which he comes. You two are well matched my dear and it gives me great pleasure to be the one that brought you together here in this home. She kissed Ghost's cheek and then turned as if something had tugged at her.
A strange feeling had come over Cait in the midst of the conference, a feeling she had not known for many years. Her ears rang, blocking out the talk of charters and letters of intent. Even the voice of her beloved husband was drown out but the depth of the silence that embraced her. Was it fear? She knew that their sons, Alex and Balian, were safely tucked in their beds guarded by their nanny, Marie, a woman that would die rather than let anything happen to her charges.
Trying to stay focused on the meeting became more of a chore than she could bare. Caitilin gently touched Baldar's arm and whispered. There is something I need to see to ,my Lord. Not wishing to alarm him, Cait kissed Baldar's cheek, curtsied to their guests and excused herself, giving Seamus and Ghost a nod as well. As she entered the hall, one of the guards came to attention and began to follow. Caitilin stayed his approach with a raised hand. Please remain where you are and see to it that the meeting is undisturbed. | |
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