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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:41 pm | |
| -"I agree with Lady Alys. Due to the possibility of building ships, the isolated regions like Ireland and England will now be connected to the rest of Europe; and the distances between counties will shorten. That makes all kinds of diplomatic treaties something that can be applied, something functional and useful, and not just a written document."
He sipped a bit of water and continued
-"The fact of piracy is something that I do not think it has been developed yet, because there are very few shipyard able to build a suitable ship for piracy. Ships can be very expensive to build and mantain, so I hope that there will not be many pirates in the seas, at least in the next few months. Anyway, Merchant ships must have an escort, to ensure their safety. Besides, if piracy becomes an obstacle to commerce, a fleet of pirate hunters and ship protectors can be made; between two or three seaside counties, to protect their waters and their ships.
The question is, all the features about sealanes, ships, commerce and piracy shall be inclued in a special "Sea Treaty", or scattered in the remaining treaties? |
| | | Caitilin* Head of House
Posts : 448 Join date : 2008-06-17 Location : Phoenix, Arizona USA
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:39 pm | |
| The conference is going well, Cait thought to herself. She had been nervous about the whole thing. She had drilled into the house staff as much of the protocols she could manage.
Listening now to the men and women who had come, she smiled. She stood at the side of the table. Aye, m'Lord Alivi. I too agree that piracy could be a major issue. Just as marauders on the roads are a problem for all travels. Do we want to muddy a basic treaty with clauses regarding the laws of the open sea? Or shall we draft here a special "Sea Treaty", as you suggested?
She took a sip of wine. Cait began to walk around the table as she continued. Meeting the glance of each member of the diplomatic community seated there. One thing we all must remember is that no matter what we may agree on here, a basic treaty, a non aggression pact, she nods to Draco or a Sea Treaty. We all know that such documents must be approved by each nation or kingdom's governing body. Caitilin shook her head. Our experience in the past has been that those bodies of men and woman have a different agenda than we here. We are thinking purely of good relations, good trade and protection of sea travel. We are more open to new ideas and cooperation.
When Caitilin finished she returned to her chair next to Baldar. | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:45 am | |
| Finn arrives in the late in the conference room. Too many issues und duties kept him far away from the conference. He enters the room and apologise himself. Then he greets the hosts Lord Baldar and Lady Caitilin. He continues with bowing both of the de Lusignons , following is a kiss of Lady Caitilin's hand. Now he bows lady emmy. He don't know what he has missed, what has been discussed and many similar things. Either he apologizes for his interference in french aswell as in english. He looks around takes a free seat and sits down.He takes a glass of wine from a passing servant and some minutes later he takes a sip of this wine looks around and listens.
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| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:16 pm | |
| Lady Emmy smiles, and offers Lord Finn a seat next to hers.Emmy whispers to him," We have just got started, you haven`t missed anything important."Emmy smiles as she takes her seat. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:02 pm | |
| Rose smiles to all these people when Val sound entry into the room. He approaches them and she began to blush when it presented at the meeting. It took to smile and was relieve see new people make their entries.
An Ambassador approached and spoke even in French. Rose inclina faced with him while he announced that he appointed Silverman.
"-I am pleased to meet you excellence."
That seems his mother in such a situation? Especially that this name does it was not unknown. His mother was of him talking about this baron but it was more on... She tried not to think that to do not yet stress more and took his place with Val1.
His colleague Sindbad was not far away and rose him smiles when she heard talk about future voyages at sea and with different treaties which will arise. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:15 am | |
| He stands up with a smile and changes his seat and takes the one offered by Lady Emmy. On this seat he continues sipping some whine and listening to the conference. He is glad that he has not missed anything important and the conference has just started. Unfortuntaley he doesn't really know most of the diplomatic people in the conference room. Maybe he gets to know them later. |
| | | baldar Administrator
Posts : 247 Join date : 2008-12-09 Age : 63 Location : Italy
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:33 am | |
| Bladar stands, My Lords and ladies, I would like to propose an example of a treaty, presented at the venice conference, By the Doge of Venice, in this case we can maybe use it as an example, to work on - Cangrande wrote:
- Here you are the proposal of agreement:
- Quote :
- TREATY OF TRADE AND ECONOMIC COOPERATION FOR CENTRAL AND EASTERN EUROPE
Following the International Trade Conference held at the Palazzo Ducale in Venice in June 1457,
In reference to the will of all the contractors to increase international trade in the region to contribute to wealth and prosperity for all populations concerned,
With the common desire that through this cooperation we can reduce as much as possible any conflict in the region and ensure peace,
The Contracting Parties bind themselves to sign and respect this treaty of trade and economic cooperation.
Article I 1. The Contracting Parties bind themselves to send to a room specially designated of the Palazzo Ducale in Venice their Trade Ministers or other persons delegated by them. 2. In this room, representatives of each contracting party may report the goods they intend to buy or sell, in order to facilitate trade in the region. 3. In this room, all those who have access are required to communicate in English.
Article II 1. The Contracting Parties bind themselves to participate actively in trade cooperation, ensuring the passage of goods from one province to another. 2. Each Contracting Party binds itself to appoint one or more merchants in its border cities to facilitate such cooperation. 3. The Government of each Contracting Party binds itself to cooperate in the sale of goods held by other parties. Such collaboration requires a constant communication and use of warrants for the transfer of goods in the region. 4. In the attached is proposed an example of this trade system of how it have to work.
Article III 1. Any merchant that provides the service on behalf of this trade cooperation will receive for each day of travel a salary of 20 pounds. 2. Each “transition province” has a right of way to a compensation equal to 10 pounds each time must give his aid to the cooperation system. 3. These costs should be divided equally between the province that sells goods and the province that buys goods. These provinces may also agree in a different way.
Article IV 1. The Contracting Parties bind themeselves as more as possible to ensure the safety of merchants and the success of trade. 2. The responsability of the goods belongs to the province where the goods are located. 3. All Contracting Parties bind themselves to process any robbers that impede the conclusion of trade held in the name of this Treaty, even if the act of robbery occurs outside its territory. 4. The merchants who are appointed for the purpose of trade cooperation that in any way impede or steal the goods will be pursued until their death by all the contracting parties, notwithstanding other laws. 5. Any Contracting Party would impede the proper functioning of the system of trade cooperation without proper justification, will have an appropriate retaliation from all other contracting parties. Such retaliation may go from economic isolation to war.
Article V 1. In case of dispute about the application of the Treaty or on the system of trade cooperation, the Parties shall decide by majority vote. 2: The Contracting Parties bind themselves to respect the decisions taken by majority vote.
Article VI 1. The Contracting Parties bond themselves to organize at least once a year a trade and economic conference to check the state of cooperation and evaluate any proposals for improvement. 2. The seat of this Conference will be decided by vote of the Contracting Parties between the provinces that are proposed to host. 3. The Contracting Parties reserve the right to create supranational bodies to ensure a better functioning of the economic and trade cooperation.
Article VII 1. All provinces participating in the conference in June 1457 may sign this treaty and become a fully-fledged Parties thereto. 2. Any new contractors must have the consent of all contractors to participate in the treaty.
Article VIII 1. This Treaty shall enter into force without limit of time after the ratification by the contractors, who undertake their lands and their peoples. 2. By mutual consent, the rewriting of the Treaty may be made in full or in part. 3. The contractor who wishes to terminate this treaty will have to send an official letter to the other contractors and to publish this letter at the room in Palazzo Ducale (see Article 1). The treaty will be considered for this contractor canceled a week after the publication of the official letter.
Done in Venice, June 23 1457 Your thoughts Mi Lords and Ladies | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:49 am | |
| After resting for not too long Lady Ikalein, Baroness of Hohenberg, ambassador from Germany to England, left her rooms. Very pleased is the young Baroness of her premises, suprised by the kindness of the servant maid who helped her to unpack her stuff. As always Lady Ikalein brought to many things with her, cause' as always she wasn't able to deside what she will need. In her primses she changed her cloth, gets on an emerald green silkdress, which matches her emereldgreen eyes. Now that she feels comfortable in her new cloth, her curls pinned up, she enteres the conference room, dropping a curtsy. "Good day, god may bless you, your excellencies. I am sorry for beeing so late, my children were sick. What did i miss?" Not waiting for an answer she goes to Beara and Finn, hugging both of them gently, happy to see some known people in the room. The look of her emereldgreen eyes glances through the room, searching for Sir Richard Silvermane._______________________ |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:11 am | |
| Finn sips on his glass of whine listening to Lord Baldar and his example of a treaty. It sounds very interesting and he hopes that this proposal won't violate against the statues of the german embassy. It was a very long and extensive treaty. He needs to discuss this with his boss chancellor Inrahil. He can't decide this on his own. For the first he will continue watching and listening. He is very happy his female collegue Lady Ikalein made it here in time. She looks awsome and charming as ever. He sips the whine, crosses his fingers waits and listens. |
| | | Caitilin* Head of House
Posts : 448 Join date : 2008-06-17 Location : Phoenix, Arizona USA
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:04 am | |
| Caitilin stood quietly as the ambassador from Germany arrived. She smiled graciously when Finn kissed her hand. She spoke in a whisper so that it would not distrube the proceedings. Lord Finn I am so please that you and your colleagues could be present. May I add a heart felt welcome to that of my husband.
As the Baroness entered Caitilin turned to greet her. Taking her hand she smiled warmly. Lady Ikalein, your sacrifice of leaving your children to come here is a great one I know. As a mother, my heart breaks each time I must be away from our son Alex. I hope you found your room comfortable. If you need anything, please feel free to ask any servant, they are more than happy to serve. Cait offers Lady Ilalein a goblet of wine before they resume their seats. | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:51 am | |
| Lady Emmy smiles at Lord Baldar`s thoughts." It sounds wonderful, but as demostrated by my counterpart Lord Finn, each country has thier own laws. Prehaps we should get each countries laws and see what is workable and not workable."Emmy sips her wine as Lord Finn sits next to her. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:21 pm | |
| Gabyc was walking in the Castle hall, trying to find the conference room. She finaly ask one of the guard, hoping she was not late. At least, the doors were not closed. The young diplomate arrived in the conference room, where some people were already discussing. She just hope to don't interupt the discution with her arrival.-Good Afternoon! I'm Gabyc Ciara Fraser, Artois Ambassador to Scotland, Irland and England. I'm here to represent the Artois county, wich is in the North of the France kingdom, as my chancellor wasn't able to be here with us for this conference. I want to thanks our hosts for the invitaitons and to have take the good initiative of organizing this meeting. The Artois Council is very enthusiastic about this conference and hopes it will be great for the diplomatic links between us all. We are also looking forward to find commercial possibility with the Northern regions and to discuss about seas legislations. Gabyc was holding in her hand a missive she just received from the Artois Embassy. Well, here is my autorisation from the Artois Chancellor to represent the Artois interest in this conference, as he couldn't be here. - Quote :
- À tous ceux et celles qui liront cette lettre, Salut et Paix !
Nous, Nicolas de Firenze, en notre qualité de Chancelier d'Artois.
Déclarons et certifions que Dame Gabyc Ciara Fraser prend en charge le rôle de représentante d'Artois à la conférence de Stryke. Nous lui confions publiquement la tâche de représenter l'Artois et ses intérêts en toute occasion auprès des participants à ladite réunion.
Portons ces faits à la connaissance de tous afin que lui soient conférés tout le respect, la dignité et la majesté liés à sa charge, et que nul ne s'avise de la contester ou de lui porter injure ou atteinte dans l'exercice de ses fonctions.
Fait à Arras, ce douzième jour du mois de décembre de l'an de grâce 1457.
Nicolas de Firenze, Chancelier d'Artois Gabyc smile at them and join them.-Well... Did I miss something since the begining of the meeting? |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:02 pm | |
| Deekay felt rested after a light meal and a short nap. He made his way to the Conference Room, and took a seat.
When the Ambassador from Artois finished speaking, he nodded to Baldar and introduced himself.
"Thank you for inviting me. I am a member of the House of Lords Committee which assists Lord Baldar and his team of Ambassadors. I am also attached to the Embassy of Stafford County.
I think Lord Baldar is right to bring the treaty here. I think it will be for each of us to consider whether it fits with our own laws both nationally and locally. If the treaty cannot be accepted by a territory then the rest of us will need to see whether we can find an amendment that is acceptable." |
| | | Alys i'R Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:21 pm | |
| "Lady Emmy has a very good idea in that we should compare each Counties Laws regarding trading. Chonnacht has a free market system and unfortunately the situation with the other two Irish Counties do not permit for us to have Tread Agreements with them. Lady Caitilin to address your earlier comment regarding that whatever we agree one must be ratified by each of our Councils. I am here with guidelines as what would be acceptable hopefully to minimize such difficulties. If there are problems the I may need to use my powers of persuasion upon my own Council." Her smile held a hint of mischief. |
| | | Marie Loyal Family Servant
Posts : 33 Join date : 2009-12-01
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:29 pm | |
| Stepping silently into the conference room, Marie was followed by two other young men on the staff. She scanned the table of foods and wine. Pointing with a slightly bent finger she directed the replacement and removal of items.
With a quick curtsy to Lady Caitilin and Lord Baldar, Marie and the lads disappeared. | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:53 am | |
| Carefully the baroness listens to the discussion, not saying anything. With a gentle smile she greets Lady Caitlin. "I feel very welcomed, thank you a lot your excellency." Once again scanning the room she also sees Silverman, smiles at him. Only then she takes the treaty Baldar presented and reads through it. "Finn is right, we are not able to decide by ourself wether to sign or not..." Thoughtfully she leans back, listens once again to the words ech person is saying. When she hears Marie's words she nods. "I think that is a great idea. May I show you our standard treaty? I think I showed it once before." Standing up from her chair she hands over some papers, all described with the treaty. - Quote :
Treaty between the German Kingdom and XXX
On behalf of the regents of the German provinces, who have formed a justice alliance, the King of the German Kingdom and the ~Country's name~ want to express their wish to document the friendship that bounds their people, so that it may last for generations.
Article I
1. The contract parties avow themselves to the principle that a person who breaks a law cannot escape the authority of the sovereign in the country he or she broke the law.
2. If a citizen becomes arraigned in one of the provinces, he has to obey the laws and customs of the place of his crime or delict.
Articel II
If a person who is suspected of a crime or accused of trying to flee before the local justice was able to bring a charge against him, one contract party can entrust the other contract party with the judicial prosecution. That means, the person has to become arrested and has to be turned over or has to be arraigned immediately.
The following proceeding is applied: - The prosecuting attorney starts on behalf of the request of the party in whose territory the crime has been committed. -The prosecutor of the requesting party drafts the arraignment in accordance with the applicable laws of the requesting party, against which the fleeing person has violated. - The indictment is handed over to the litigant party. - The proceeding is carried out by the court of the litigant party. The judge judges independently, only with the restriction that the ground of his adjudication has to base upon the law of the litigant party.
The constancy between the arraignment and the verdict may not takes longer than three weeks. Should this period become expired, the restrictions of the treaty become districted.
Article III
The Parties shall inform each other about potential dangers from convicted criminals. This is to be achieved through a close cooperation between the legal archivists.
Article IV
1. The contracting parties recognize the friendship between our provinces. This lasts as long as the mentioned parties respect the fiduciary duty toward their King and/or Emperor.
2. This Agreement does not create a mutual defense commitment.
Article V
1. Your Majesties, their heirs and successors obligate themselves to respect the articles of this treaty. Any breach of a clause by the contractor shall not relieve the other from its obligations is carried out until a substantial compensation.
2. A partial (one sided) defeasance of the treaty in peacetime has to be followed with the following instructions - The current sovereign of the concerned party conveys the current ruler of the other party about the defeasance of the treaty - The notification is going to be published in the particular Inns and the ambassador areas of the parties. - Current matters that fall under the conditions of the treaty, can in case of a defeasance of the treaty, not be abandoned by any of the parties, but have to be ended properly under the conditions of the treaty. Otherwise the defeasance is considered treason and allows the other parties to implement an appropriate action.
3. Existing legal agreements between the involved provinces will be abolished once the agreement becomes effective.
4. By mutual consent an amendment of the treaty, at large or in parts, or a defeasance can be enacted.
Signed in XXX on XXX
On behalf of the German Kingdom
~name, seal~ Queen of the German Kingdom
On behalf of England:
~Name, seal~ Regent of England
Attestor:
~name, seal~ Chancellor of the German Kingdom
~name, seal~ Chancellor of England Ika gives each of the attending time to read the treaty, sitting down again. "I also brought the treaty in frensh with me. If any of the attending feels more comfortable with frensch." Than she stops talking again.________________________ |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:05 pm | |
| Val1 read the different documents and wanted t answer when an embassador from Artois arrived. He greeted him and started to speak.
First of all, thank you for our guests to open their house for this conference. It is a pleasure to be here.
Now regarding the treaties, I think that we know the contents of them, they are well written, thank to the Ducato di Venezia and our friends from The Deutsche Imperium. The idea would be, I think to participate, all, to the elaboraton and setting up of this new treaty between your country, England and our respective countries, crowns, in my case the Kingdom of France. I have to say first that we have several treaties pending for approval from the high instance in the countries and I can say that they are not very warm for signing any treaty.
Now my job would be to speak with them and to convince them that your treaty could be interesting at any time, better than another one presented by another country.
From ym personal poin of view, a treaty or agreement can have some advantages, we all see them, but I have i front of me in France people who are not in the diplomatic area and do not understand the same idea.
So as I said, before anything, I have to present a version for discussion and decision.
I am so then waiting for y proposal which can lead to better contacts, better trades, better knowledges between our counties. |
| | | baldar Administrator
Posts : 247 Join date : 2008-12-09 Age : 63 Location : Italy
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:55 pm | |
| Baldar stands,
My Lords and Ladies, the Venice treaty is an example for yourselves to take to your governments and talk about it not to sign here.
Each country has its own rules and laws, which must be observed. What we need is a standard treaty that certain parts can be changed depending on the countries signing it.
Every one hear has experience of there countries laws, and could give there ideas to a trade Treaty.
As for the Treaty presented by Lady Ikalein, The Royal Embassy of England can pass it to the seperate counties of England. As the Royal Embassy can not sign judicial treaties or Trade Treaties for the counties of England, our job is to help our counties ti promote trade and collaboration.
All ideas are welcome here, an can then be taken back to all countires to discuss, and I would want to organise another summit in future where people will sit to sign a document, That would make easier any future discussions.
Baldar takes his seat. sipping some wine from his goblet. | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:28 pm | |
| Gabyc listen to them with attention and read the friendship treaty example that Lady Ikalein bring. Interesting stuff. After the Chancellor intervention, she comments the document.-I think that this exemple is a good base for a friendship treaty. Maybe the judicial coopération part need to be more complete, but it brings an interesting point about the County/Kingdoms roles. Particularly this article: - Quote :
- Article IV
1. The contracting parties recognize the friendship between our provinces. This lasts as long as the mentioned parties respect the fiduciary duty toward their King and/or Emperor. -If I understand it well, it means that this treaty would have been signed by two countyfrom different country, both of their kingdoms need to agree with the signature of this treaty and if there was something happening, for exemple a war between the two kingdoms, that makes the treaty breaking the duty of trust that one of the county have for his kindom, the treaty expires. So the treaty end won't be caused by any of the two county and there will be no penality. Am I right?
-Well, I think it would be a logical solution. Lady Ikalein, you said that you have the french copy of this treaty, may I have a look at it please? I understand the english version very well, but I'd like to see the french version too. Turning to the Royal Chancellor:-Sir Baldar, I'm really glad to learn that you prefer to encourage the English county to sign their own treaty with others county, insted of signing general treaty with other country for the trades and judicial. I hope that the French Royal Embassy will have the same tought about it. I think it will be easier to adapt the treatys with the county laws than the country general laws. Well... |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:45 am | |
| - gabyc5 wrote:
- Sir Baldar, I'm really glad to learn that you prefer to encourage the English county to sign their own treaty with others county, insted of signing general treaty with other country for the trades and judicial. I hope that the French Royal Embassy will have the same tought about it. I think it will be easier to adapt the treatys with the county laws than the country general laws. Well...
Ah...Time to step into the conversation, Sindbad thought. First, a smile at the Artois representent : Your Excellency, thank you for introducing the subject.
I can not speak for the whole French Royal Embassy, which is why HE Val1 is here for.
However, our situation in France is quite close to what HE Baldar roughly described, which means that Judicial and Trade treaties are up to the French Counties. However, hardly any Coounty has foreign languages-speaking people.
Which is why I am actually touring French embassies near the seashore to offer my help in order for them to conclude Judicial treaties with English counties. I already provided HE Occania, the Poitou English-speaking ambassadress, with the location of the Somerset Castle provided by HE Silvermane. Guyenne is also interested by my offer, which is also discussed by the Gascogne Council. A quick look at the Artois ambassadress : Regarding Artois, HE Smurf, which I contacted a month ago, declined my offer for help. But of course, things can change, should Artois decides so.
On the time being, my main difficulty is accessing the other English Counties' embassy in order to introduce the Poitou ambassadress or any French ambassador interested. Should I write to each head of diplomacy, or may I ask the English Royal Embassy for help ?
And I guess my collegues in Scotland and in Ireland will have a similar need from the Scottish and Irish Embassy.
Regarding the treaties submitted, I completely agree with HE Val1, saying that the Judicial and Trade treaties should be the result of negociations between Counties, and not pre-written texts. And regarding the SRING Judicial treaty, although quite close to what we come up with in France, does not mention the specific subject of piracy acts.
As far as I am concerned, the treaty should, at least, mention that the County in which the ship was built will be considered as the victim. And that, should the pirat crew come from different Kingdoms, the judge of the County in which they first stop is competent to start proceedings, should he be provided with the appropriate evidence from the victim County.Sindbad took a glass and drank a sip of something...Ouch, strong... |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:53 am | |
| Carefully Lady Ikalein listens to the concerns of Lady Gaby and Lord Sindbad. Only then she starts to speak. "It seams to me, that all of you have the problem, that your King is not able to sign a treaty for your whole country, but each county has to sign by itself, is that right? Also Lady Gaby, you asked me about this special paragraph. - Quote :
- 1. The contracting parties recognize the friendship between our provinces. This lasts as long as the mentioned parties respect the fiduciary duty toward their King and/or Emperor.
This would be signed by the King of England, for example, and the Queen of the German Kingdom. It would be a paragraph because of which the King of England would bind himself to the promise, to respect the friendship between our provinces. I believe I have to explain this a little bit closer. Smiling gently she hands out some papers, on which part of the German constitution is written. - Quote :
- 3. Acknowledgement of treaties, laws and institutions
All laws passed by the imperial institutions, regulations and decrees, and all contracts concluded with third parties are valid throughout the whole German Kingdom. All residents, all governments, every public officer and every guest who stays in the German Kingdom, have to adhere to it. These laws are above the laws and decrees of the various provinces, villages or other associations. All provinces of the German Kingdom recognize with their affiliation the institutions of the German Kingdom and bow to their decisions. A non-acknowledgment is a declaration of war. This is part of the German constitution. It shows, that it is not necessary in Germany to have each county/province signing a treaty. If the Imperial Chancellor, a memeber of an imperial institution, and the Queen herself sign the treaty, it gains valid throughout the whole Kingdom. If a county of Germany does not abondon a law or a treaty passed by the imperial institution, the rest of the German Kingdom declares this one county war. This is why we do not have problems to keep our unity in Germany. For one second she gives everybody time to rethink this, than she hands over the frensh version of the treaty: - Quote :
Traité de Justice entre le Royaume germanique et XXX
En représentant pour les seigneurs des provinces germaniques, qui se sont associés dans le traité judiciaire ,le Roi du royaume germanique et le comte de l'Artois, expriment leur désir, d‘approfondir l‘amitié qui réunit leurs peupes en signant ce traité de justice, pour que leur amitié passe les générations.
Article I
1. Les hautes parties contractantes reconnaissent le principe qu’une personne ne peut fuir ni la loi qu’elle a enfreinte, ni l’autorité du souverain de son pays.
2. Si un citoyen est inculpé dans une province, alors il doit se soumettre aux lois et coutumes du lieu où le crime ou l’infraction ont été commis
Article II
Si une personne, qui est présumée ou accusée d’avoir commis un crime, réussissait à fuir avant que la justice n’a pu l’inculper, une des parties contractantes pourrait confier la poursuite juridique à l’autre partie. Ceci implore l’arrestation de la personne et son extradition ou son inculpation sur place.
Pour cela, on applique la procédure suivante : - L’inculpation est faite sur demande de la partie contractante où l’infraction à eu lieu. - Le procureur de la partie requérante rédige l’acte d’accusation selon les lois de la partie requérante, lesquelles ont été enfreintes par la personne fugitive. - L’acte d’accusation est transmis à la partie plaidante - Le procès se fait par la partie plaidante. Le juge concerné juge indépendamment, avec seule restriction, que son jugement doit se fonder sur le droit de la partie requise (tant que cela ne s’oppose pas au droit local)
Article III
Les parties contractantes s’informent mutuellement sur le danger potentiel provenant de délinquants condamnés. Ceci se fait par une étroite coopération entre les archivistes des tribunaux.
Article IV
1. Les hautes parties contractantes reconnaissent l’amitié entre nos provinces aussi longtemps que les régions considérées respectent leur allégeance devant leur Roi et/ou leur Empereur
2. Ce traité n’implore pas des devoirs de défense mutuelle.
Article V
1. Leurs Altesses, aussi bien que leurs héritiers et successeurs, s’engagent à respecter les articles de ce traité. Chaque violation contre une clause par une des parties contractantes dégage l’autre partie de ses obligations jusqu’à ce qu’une compensation essentielle a eu lieu.
2. Une annulation unilatérale du taité en temps de paix, doit se faire selon les indications suivantes : - Le souverain actuel de la partie contractante, informe le souverain de l’autre partie de l’annulation du traité. - L’avis sera publié dans es gargottes et les ambassades des parties contractantes. - Des affaires en cours, qui ont lieu sous les conditions du traité, ne peuvent pas êtres abandonnées suite à l’annulation du contrat de la part d’une ou des deux parties, mais doivent être achevés selon les conditions du traité.
3. Avec l’entrée en vigueur du traité, tous les traités juridiques précédents entre les parties seront annulés.
4. Suite à un accord mutuel, une version refondue du traité peut se faire en sa totalité ou en certaines parties, aussi bien que l’annulation peut être décidée.
Signié dans la Chancellerie *Place* le
Au Nom du royaume germanique
~name and seal~ Roi du Royaume Germanique
~name and seal~ Au Nom de ~country~
Témoins :
~name and seal~ Chancelier du Royaume Germanique
~name and seal~ Chancelier de ~country~ _______________________ |
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| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:31 am | |
| Cait listened carefully to what was being said by all of those assembled. She took a quill and parchment and started to jot down a few notes to take back to the Royal Embassy. She would talk to Baldar about the ideas later. She had a quiestion for the esteemed ambassador from Germany.
Milady Ikalein, Gibt es eine englische Übersetzung dieses Vertrags? Ich spreche nicht lesen oder Französisch.**
Caitilin blushed hoping that she had not made too many mistakes in her attempt to speak German.
**[ooc: Is there an English translation of this treaty? I do not speak or read french. *Please forgive my google translator.] | |
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| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:27 am | |
| Ikalein looks at Caitlin, who had welcomed her so warmly and know even speaks German with her. With a gentle smile Ikalein hands over an english version of the treaty. "Sure there is Mylady." - Quote :
Treaty between the German Kingdom and XXX
On behalf of the regents of the German provinces, who have formed a justice alliance, the King of the German Kingdom and the ~Country's name~ want to express their wish to document the friendship that bounds their people, so that it may last for generations.
Article I
1. The contract parties avow themselves to the principle that a person who breaks a law cannot escape the authority of the sovereign in the country he or she broke the law.
2. If a citizen becomes arraigned in one of the provinces, he has to obey the laws and customs of the place of his crime or delict.
Articel II
If a person who is suspected of a crime or accused of trying to flee before the local justice was able to bring a charge against him, one contract party can entrust the other contract party with the judicial prosecution. That means, the person has to become arrested and has to be turned over or has to be arraigned immediately.
The following proceeding is applied: - The prosecuting attorney starts on behalf of the request of the party in whose territory the crime has been committed. -The prosecutor of the requesting party drafts the arraignment in accordance with the applicable laws of the requesting party, against which the fleeing person has violated. - The indictment is handed over to the litigant party. - The proceeding is carried out by the court of the litigant party. The judge judges independently, only with the restriction that the ground of his adjudication has to base upon the law of the litigant party.
The constancy between the arraignment and the verdict may not takes longer than three weeks. Should this period become expired, the restrictions of the treaty become districted.
Article III
The Parties shall inform each other about potential dangers from convicted criminals. This is to be achieved through a close cooperation between the legal archivists.
Article IV
1. The contracting parties recognize the friendship between our provinces. This lasts as long as the mentioned parties respect the fiduciary duty toward their King and/or Emperor.
2. This Agreement does not create a mutual defense commitment.
Article V
1. Your Majesties, their heirs and successors obligate themselves to respect the articles of this treaty. Any breach of a clause by the contractor shall not relieve the other from its obligations is carried out until a substantial compensation.
2. A partial (one sided) defeasance of the treaty in peacetime has to be followed with the following instructions - The current sovereign of the concerned party conveys the current ruler of the other party about the defeasance of the treaty - The notification is going to be published in the particular Inns and the ambassador areas of the parties. - Current matters that fall under the conditions of the treaty, can in case of a defeasance of the treaty, not be abandoned by any of the parties, but have to be ended properly under the conditions of the treaty. Otherwise the defeasance is considered treason and allows the other parties to implement an appropriate action.
3. Existing legal agreements between the involved provinces will be abolished once the agreement becomes effective.
4. By mutual consent an amendment of the treaty, at large or in parts, or a defeasance can be enacted.
Signed in XXX on XXX
On behalf of the German Kingdom
~name, seal~ Queen of the German Kingdom
On behalf of England:
~Name, seal~ Regent of England
Attestor:
~name, seal~ Chancellor of the German Kingdom
~name, seal~ Chancellor of England ((i posted it one page before, but I post it once again... and the german is fine, i understood =))) |
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| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:50 pm | |
| Lady Emmy speaks softly," Lady Caitilin, We must do more work withing each others own laws to determine the validity of arrest, Our own jewbeard has tried that with a past criminal, and was overturned, in interest of arrest and immunity cannot go without it`s hazards." |
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| Subject: Re: Diplomatic Conference Room Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:54 pm | |
| Finn empties his goblet, stands up and raises his voice. "Mylord and Myladies. Most problems with our foreign neighbours my collegue Lady Ikalein has mentioned. In the past where I still had no collegue I had to run with my treaties from duchy to duchy and at least to the house of lords and the regent oft england. Every time i did this the treaties were rejected by some duchies and / or the house of lords including the house of lords. Allways the treaties violated against the diplomatic laws of england our their treaties violated against our diplomatic laws and statues. Complicated huh? So we must find solutions, a consense and a basis on which we can work , sing treaties and continue and intensivy diplomacy.
The extensive sample treati of Lord Baldar for example has many issues that violates against diplomatic statues, our german diplomatic statues included as my collegue shows up to you. The questions are how do with handle this issues our diplomatic statues and anything else?"
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